Comments on: The Shadowland/Lightroom Development Story http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/ The latest news about the top pixel wrangling application on the planet. Wed, 05 Jun 2013 09:27:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Fort Myers Photographer http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-2/#comment-13008 Fort Myers Photographer Sun, 06 Jul 2008 02:01:57 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-13008 Great story Jeff! It is really cool to hear the background on a tool that is essential to so many photographers!

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By: DonRicklin http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-2/#comment-9587 DonRicklin Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:09:45 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-9587 Thank you Jeff and the whole Shadowland/Lightroom Team. Here we are wth Adobe Photoshop Lightroom Officially announced and only awaiting it’s physical release on February 19th 2007.

It has truely been a fun ride, starting wiht the Open Forums and Beta 1 through RCs and the GM.

Thank you Adobe for making it all possible.

Don

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By: Roddy http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-2/#comment-4660 Roddy Thu, 15 Jun 2006 07:06:25 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-4660 Hey Jeff, thanks a million for the insight into the development of LR. A great read at that.

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By: Dave Cheatham http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1794 Dave Cheatham Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:38:47 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-1794 Seth, I think your hair is a good look! I thought it was a hairpiece. But on second look…it must be real!

Dave Cheatham

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By: Jun Miranda http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1583 Jun Miranda Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:42:41 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-1583 I know I am coming on board a bit late. But I live in the Philippines, that explains it. I am thinking of writing a review in my regular column that appears in a local newspaper so I decided to make a research on what has been said so far about LR. I am so glad I stumbled on this. Thanks for the backgrounder Jeff. That definitely cleared the misconception.

Enough has been said about LR and Aperture, but for people like me who live in a third world country, price is always a consideration. I think Aperture is overpriced!

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By: marlies schewe http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1485 marlies schewe Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:19:37 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-1485 hallo, I send this mail from germany, I am looking four my family in USA,the last letter is old.I find the name Jeff Schewe,is his family from germany?????Please send the mail to him. Marlies Schewe

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By: Mike Koehler http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1448 Mike Koehler Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:32:04 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-1448 Jeff,

Thank you so much for this background info. You guys have done a great job with Lightroom so far. Looking forward to the final version.

Quick question – you may or may not know the answer – but was Lightroom written in Flex?

Thanks,

Mike Koehler

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By: Lars Ekdahl http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1320 Lars Ekdahl Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:39:49 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-1320 Hello Jeff
For a no English speaker does the acronym UI means User Interface here? Mostly it is for us foreigners “user information”

Do hope the Windows version will come within the forseeable future

/Lars Ekdahl

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By: flavio http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1309 flavio Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:12:53 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-1309 hi friends,
i really enjoy your story. see graham nash again is fantastic. how about david crosby?
lightroom is running fine on my powerbook G4 and i wonder how much it will cost, beside some more technical questions, such as more zoom possibilities, how to use the no destructive feature (i have not understood it yet) and some more. maybe in the official edition?

but very nice black/white shoots!

ciao, flavio

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By: Alex Bachnick http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1280 Alex Bachnick Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:48:26 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-1280 Hey Jeff–
I’ve been lurking in your shadows for years. I had a studio in Chicago from 1978-80, but moved to Minneapolis in 1980.
I have followed your career since then, albeit, periodically. I took Seth’s D-65 workshop last spring, and have followed both of you since.
Love the contributions you have made to Photoshop and Lightroom.
Keep up the great work.
Love your images from Antarctica, too.
Have a terrific week,
Alex Bachnick

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By: Mart http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1253 Mart Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:06:10 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-1253 Sorry if I missed it, but will there be a PC Beta version for us PC users?
If yes is there a date?

Mart

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By: Paul Gardner http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1231 Paul Gardner Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:54:12 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-1231 I certinally hope that Adobe abandons “C++” in lightroom. This is a program that begs for a good assembly programmer to implement the algorythems. I know the bean counters love C++, but the ovehead kills the speed and bloats the program. Is Assembly dead at Adobe? Of course with Apple switching to Intel, the really fine Intel “C” compiler can also be used now. I know the UI developers are more “into” the look and feel, but don’t let the speed slip away in the coding process.
Not flaming Apple but I left the Apple camp years ago and have never looked back. Where is my Windows version?
Paul

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By: Sean McCormack http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1224 Sean McCormack Fri, 13 Jan 2006 05:59:06 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-1224 Great back story Jeff. Good to see you’re involved in some very current stuff. I enjoyed your section on the Photoshop Masters CD and found the included PDF very helpful. A lot of my RAW workflow comes from that and Kevin Ames in “The art of photographing Women”.
Seeing those photo’s nearly makes me want to head over from Ireland for one of Greg masterclass weeks! I think I’ll put the money to a Canon 1D MkII or IDs even!
Cheers
Sean

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By: Allan White http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1219 Allan White Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:38:59 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-1219 Great and insightful article; very interesting read.

What a long and crazy path to daylight this app has had!

If the price point of Lightroom is below Aperture, then I think that will go a long way to it taking market share – especially if some of Aperture’s core flaws aren’t addressed (such as RAW conversion). I like the Aperture interface and workflow better. I don’t like the giant links at top (Library | Develop | etc. – we’re not children!), and there’s some other issues (sliders on the left?? Ack!).

Still, it’s exciting to see a new app in this space! Watching with great interest.

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By: Robert Collins http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1214 Robert Collins Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:18:41 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-1214 For what these [Apature and Light Room] do, I find little need with what I do. What I like most about both is that both Companies are competing. As a user, I can’t loose!

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By: Brian Smith http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1209 Brian Smith Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:37:15 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-1209 Hmmm….It would appear that Lightroom lacks the power neccessary to sharpen what the wine done unsharpened at Gorman’s pool party..but since it’s still a just friggin beta, might I suggest adding a “SoberUpSharpen” filter…

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By: Jeff Schewe http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1208 Jeff Schewe Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:56:54 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-1208 Andrei…

Ok….I corrected the name, the location and added a bit in the begining to clear up when Phil started the UI…as far as having pictures of you, no, not from that night, but I _DO_ have some pictures of you I _COULD_ post…

:~)

WhiteDog…
You can access the Lightroom Library at any time if you point Bridge at the folder you’ve told Lightroom to save library files in.

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By: Stefan http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1206 Stefan Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:52:36 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-1206 nah, Jeff … these are public beta testers …

I beta-tested several Bryce releases and in the end, we got the app for free as a thankyou. (Of course, we had to sign an NDA…)

I *bet* this won’t happen with all the people that download the public beta1 of Lightroom these days… ;-)

never mind. :-) I’m happy …

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By: WhiteDog http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1205 WhiteDog Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:27:24 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-1205 I had forgotten the import reference aspect. This still leaves workflow issues with Photoshop unresolved. It may be that Lightroom, like Aperture, has too distinct a function to integrate gracefully with Photoshop. But, at least in respect to LR, to eschew Photoshop integration goes against one of the primary missions of the CS2 suite – to provide a better and smoother workflow between and among the component applications.

As I understand it right now, when you open an image in Photoshop that has been edited in either Lightroom or Aperture, the sidecar data that contains the edit information is used to “process” the image, effectively flattening it and “destroying” the original. Might it be possible to adapt Photoshop to handle such images as smart objects, as it now does with imported Illustrator files, thus preserving the original file information?

At the present time, in order to keep versions of an image in the same location, you need to save them in Photoshop; to keep track of these versions in LR you must then import them to the LR library where further organization may be necessary to corollate them with the original. I don’t know how feasible it might be, but it would be much less trouble if you had a Save to Lightroom option in Photoshop so that you could update the Lightroom library right after you save the file in Photoshop.

There is also the question of whether or not you can access Lightroom library files in Bridge. If not, then we are still hanging on the horns of a dilemma – do we use Bridge to organize our files or Lightroom? Absent better integration of the two, there seems to be no good answer. Yes, LR serves the needs of Photographers who would rather avoid Photoshop altogether. For those of us who do use Photoshop, without better integration, Lightroom may be irrelevant.

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By: Andrei http://photoshopnews.com/2006/01/09/the-shadowlandlightroom-development-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1204 Andrei Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:14:48 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=893#comment-1204 A few minor corrections.

1) Sandy moved to outside the Lake Tahoe region of Sacremento. Not to New Mexico, which is where Taos is located.

2) I was officially Project Lead, not a product manager on the project. I acted as a product manager for some duties, but I’m sure many inside Adobe would confirm, I was a horrible product manager. It’s not what I do. I knew that going in which is why I asked to given the title “project lead”, and not product manager.

3) While the final resulting UI is indeed very much the work of Phil, the order in which you have written the article seems to imply it was Phil’s work all the way through, which is not the case. Phil was brought in after both Sandy and I left, but you’ve introduced Phil in the story of the article at the very beginning.

4) Looking back on this, I’m sort of glad I had to leave L.A. the night before “the party.” The wife and I had our honeymoon weekend that required me to leave early. Given the evidence presented of that night in this article, I’m sure there would be some photos of me that I would have regretted. 8^)

5) My name is mispelled once in the article as “Andre.” Eh.

I look forward to using Lightroom to see how it all finally turned out.

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