Comments on: Nikon and Adobe Talking? http://photoshopnews.com/2005/09/06/nikon-and-adobe-talking/ The latest news about the top pixel wrangling application on the planet. Wed, 13 May 2009 07:58:10 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Bernard http://photoshopnews.com/2005/09/06/nikon-and-adobe-talking/comment-page-1/#comment-729 Bernard Wed, 07 Sep 2005 02:13:17 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=698#comment-729 Although the adoption of an open RAW format (DNG or another one) would have clear value regarding the perenity of the RAW data, it appears that manufacturers still have valid reasons to be reluctant to this as Phase One explained to MR a few months ago. Unless a valid solution is provided to these color/calibration issues, I personnally prefer to use a camera producing the best possible colors in a proprietary file format, rather than one settling for slightly less accurate ones in an open format. For now, Nikon has rejoined Canon and the other guys in enabling third party vendors to convert their RAW data using their own demosaicing algos without any hinderance. I am personnally very happy that Nikon and Adobe could work together on a reasonnable technical solution away from the cheap bashing that was done in various places on the web. I will now seriously consider purchasing a PS CS2 licence. Best regards, Bernard Although the adoption of an open RAW format (DNG or another one) would have clear value regarding the perenity of the RAW data, it appears that manufacturers still have valid reasons to be reluctant to this as Phase One explained to MR a few months ago.

Unless a valid solution is provided to these color/calibration issues, I personnally prefer to use a camera producing the best possible colors in a proprietary file format, rather than one settling for slightly less accurate ones in an open format.

For now, Nikon has rejoined Canon and the other guys in enabling third party vendors to convert their RAW data using their own demosaicing algos without any hinderance. I am personnally very happy that Nikon and Adobe could work together on a reasonnable technical solution away from the cheap bashing that was done in various places on the web. I will now seriously consider purchasing a PS CS2 licence.

Best regards,
Bernard

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By: nunatak http://photoshopnews.com/2005/09/06/nikon-and-adobe-talking/comment-page-1/#comment-728 nunatak Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:01:15 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=698#comment-728 I prefer to view this as a positive +++, but short term step on Nikon's behalf. As one of the most vocal critics, and early evangelists in this quest to remove encryption from my NEF picture data, it's worth acknowledging that Nikon has responded positively to their customers concerns. Of more intermediate interest is whether encryption will be entirely removed and a new open raw format, like DNG, adopted for purposes of portability and archival conservation. My feeling is photographers need to constantly remind camera makers of how significant an issue this is to them, or they will lose a portion of their ownership. In the long term, will photographers prefer to own their data, or simply license it from the camera vendor? I prefer to view this as a positive +++, but short term step on Nikon’s behalf.

As one of the most vocal critics, and early evangelists in this quest to remove encryption from my NEF picture data, it’s worth acknowledging that Nikon has responded positively to their customers concerns.

Of more intermediate interest is whether encryption will be entirely removed and a new open raw format, like DNG, adopted for purposes of portability and archival conservation. My feeling is photographers need to constantly remind camera makers of how significant an issue this is to them, or they will lose a portion of their ownership.

In the long term, will photographers prefer to own their data, or simply license it from the camera vendor?

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By: ewelch http://photoshopnews.com/2005/09/06/nikon-and-adobe-talking/comment-page-1/#comment-727 ewelch Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:14:51 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=698#comment-727 Today's RAW files are the equivalent of Nikon, Canon and others of making their camears take non-standard film formats. Imagine if Kodak had to manufacture different film sizes for specific cameras. Photography would be much less successful in the past. Imagine - no wait it's a fact - cell phone manufacturers disabling bluetooth sync features in their phones to keep you from actually having control over what data ends up on your phone? Purposely disabling the ability to use bluetooth to transfer files and photos (and songs - get it?) is S.O.P with many of them. When are manufacturers going to clue into the fact that they hurt their own interests by purposely disabling their products artificially? Today’s RAW files are the equivalent of Nikon, Canon and others of making their camears take non-standard film formats. Imagine if Kodak had to manufacture different film sizes for specific cameras. Photography would be much less successful in the past.

Imagine – no wait it’s a fact – cell phone manufacturers disabling bluetooth sync features in their phones to keep you from actually having control over what data ends up on your phone? Purposely disabling the ability to use bluetooth to transfer files and photos (and songs – get it?) is S.O.P with many of them.

When are manufacturers going to clue into the fact that they hurt their own interests by purposely disabling their products artificially?

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By: Rod Wynne-Powell http://photoshopnews.com/2005/09/06/nikon-and-adobe-talking/comment-page-1/#comment-726 Rod Wynne-Powell Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:32:23 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=698#comment-726 As a Canon digital user and a longtime analogue Nikon user, I feel in a reasonably neutral position from which to make comments and ask a question. I naturally welcome the fact that Nikon's digital users can now make a choice to use either Adobe Camera Raw or Nikon Capture to perform the conversion from RAW, but I feel that unless camera manufacturers offer both their raw formats and the option to shoot directly to DNG, we the users are losing some of the potential to be gained from shooting RAW. An example of note is that Epson make a truly great device to offload some of our shots and to view them using their P2000 Multimedia Storage device, but if you shoot RAW, then you can only view these images at their fullscreen size, whereas JPEGs can be enlarged on screen - the reason is obvious, Epson cannot read the data from RAW files, whereas they can read the JPEGs. It would be a large R&D effort to attempt to translate all the proprietary RAW formats, whereas if the major camera manufacturers supported the option of DNG at the taking stage, Epson would only have to make the one conversion to be able to enhance the functionality of our RAW captures. After conversion or including conversion, proprietary software could still offer specific advanced features within their programs to ensure we still purchased their software offerings, but please do not stifle our workflows by encrypting our basic image data. Rod As a Canon digital user and a longtime analogue Nikon user, I feel in a reasonably neutral position from which to make comments and ask a question.

I naturally welcome the fact that Nikon’s digital users can now make a choice to use either Adobe Camera Raw or Nikon Capture to perform the conversion from RAW, but I feel that unless camera manufacturers offer both their raw formats and the option to shoot directly to DNG, we the users are losing some of the potential to be gained from shooting RAW.

An example of note is that Epson make a truly great device to offload some of our shots and to view them using their P2000 Multimedia Storage device, but if you shoot RAW, then you can only view these images at their fullscreen size, whereas JPEGs can be enlarged on screen – the reason is obvious, Epson cannot read the data from RAW files, whereas they can read the JPEGs. It would be a large R&D effort to attempt to translate all the proprietary RAW formats, whereas if the major camera manufacturers supported the option of DNG at the taking stage, Epson would only have to make the one conversion to be able to enhance the functionality of our RAW captures.

After conversion or including conversion, proprietary software could still offer specific advanced features within their programs to ensure we still purchased their software offerings, but please do not stifle our workflows by encrypting our basic image data.

Rod

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