Comments on: Acrylic VS Photoshop – The Winner? http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/ The latest news about the top pixel wrangling application on the planet. Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:46:19 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Daryl http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-840 Daryl Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:26:46 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-840 If you want to understand why this product exists, google "XAML" or "Windows Presentation Foundation". Microsoft is moving towards an entirely vector-based user interface with Windows Vista. The new version of Acryllic can output your vector artwork in XAML. Developers have been shouting for a tool like this. If you want to understand why this product exists, google “XAML” or “Windows Presentation Foundation”. Microsoft is moving towards an entirely vector-based user interface with Windows Vista. The new version of Acryllic can output your vector artwork in XAML. Developers have been shouting for a tool like this.

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By: Jimmy http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-711 Jimmy Thu, 18 Aug 2005 04:00:57 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-711 Clearly Photoshop's pixel editing facilities are very much superior to those in Acrylic and it is equally clear that Acrylic cannot compete ..... at present. Remember when Microsoft Word was not a patch on Word Perfect or when Internet Explorer was not a patch on Netscape? Acrylic currently is free (as was IE) and Acrylic doesn't have to be activated. ;) Watch this space. Clearly Photoshop’s pixel editing facilities are very much superior to those in Acrylic and it is equally clear that Acrylic cannot compete ….. at present.
Remember when Microsoft Word was not a patch on Word Perfect or when Internet Explorer was not a patch on Netscape?
Acrylic currently is free (as was IE) and Acrylic doesn’t have to be activated. ;)

Watch this space.

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By: Mark Ashton http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-708 Mark Ashton Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:09:44 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-708 If you read what Microsoft is saying, they are very explicity in saying that Acrylic is NOT intended to directly compete with Photoshop. That's a story for the mainstream techynology press...the same story they always revert to when they talk about Microsoft: MSFT enters new market with goal of obliterating the competition. That's just silly. The MSFT people aren't dumb. They clearly understand that design professionals use Photoshop and Illustrator and that isn't going to change soon. They're in the business of providing complementary tools that make it easier for designers and developers to build better applications for Windows. If you read what Microsoft is saying, they are very explicity in saying that Acrylic is NOT intended to directly compete with Photoshop. That’s a story for the mainstream techynology press…the same story they always revert to when they talk about Microsoft: MSFT enters new market with goal of obliterating the competition. That’s just silly.

The MSFT people aren’t dumb. They clearly understand that design professionals use Photoshop and Illustrator and that isn’t going to change soon. They’re in the business of providing complementary tools that make it easier for designers and developers to build better applications for Windows.

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By: david mantripp http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-703 david mantripp Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:49:38 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-703 I agree with the sentiment that the real story in all this is the tragedy that Microsoft have picked up a quite wonderful square peg and are attempting to ram it, with customary grace, into a round hole. If they wanted to compete with Photoshop, surely they have enough resources to start from scratch ? But then again, when did they ever do that ? Perhaps what they should do is try to bring xRes back from the grave. There, but for Macromedia's dreadful poduct management, was a real Photoshop rival. I agree with the sentiment that the real story in all this is the tragedy that Microsoft have picked up a quite wonderful square peg and are attempting to ram it, with customary grace, into a round hole. If they wanted to compete with Photoshop, surely they have enough resources to start from scratch ? But then again, when did they ever do that ?

Perhaps what they should do is try to bring xRes back from the grave. There, but for Macromedia’s dreadful poduct management, was a real Photoshop rival.

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By: Carole McClendon http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-631 Carole McClendon Thu, 07 Jul 2005 01:58:29 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-631 To: Jeff Schewe From: Carole McClendon Hello Jeff, Are you interested in writing a book on Acrylic? Angelo Micheletti suggested that I contact you. Please let me know, am very interested in speaking with you. Carole McClendon VP/Literary Agent Waterside Productions 925-930-0883 To: Jeff Schewe
From: Carole McClendon

Hello Jeff,

Are you interested in writing a book on Acrylic? Angelo Micheletti suggested that I contact you.
Please let me know, am very interested in speaking with you.

Carole McClendon
VP/Literary Agent
Waterside Productions
925-930-0883

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By: Jeff Suntala http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-612 Jeff Suntala Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:46:53 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-612 Why doesn't anyone ever mention the b-spline vector drawing tools when writing about Expression/Acrylic? I find them INFINITELY easier to draw with than bezier curves. No more lumpy curves! This is a HUGE improvement over bezier. I do all of my vector drawing in Expression and then convert to Photoshop or Illustrator if need be. If Illustrator and Photoshop added this capability it would be worth an upgrade on that merit alone. It's a big time saver. thanks, Jeff Suntala Why doesn’t anyone ever mention the b-spline vector drawing tools when writing about Expression/Acrylic? I find them INFINITELY easier to draw with than bezier curves. No more lumpy curves!

This is a HUGE improvement over bezier. I do all of my vector drawing in Expression and then convert to Photoshop or Illustrator if need be. If Illustrator and Photoshop added this capability it would be worth an upgrade on that merit alone.

It’s a big time saver.

thanks,
Jeff Suntala

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By: DBlatner http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-607 DBlatner Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:00:10 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-607 Jeff, I completely agree with many of your comments, and I disagree with others. Isn't it always the case? First of all, solely comparing Acrylic's pixel features to Photoshop's without taking into account the vector and hybrid painting abilities isn't very fair. It's like saying, "well, let's just ignore 75% of the program for now." That said, you're right that there are currently some significant limitations, such as lack of masking or saving channels. You can do masking, but it's kind of clunky (convert pixel layer to vector layer, draw object over image and set it to Eraser mode). But other pixel features are better than Photoshop. I have found the panorama image stitching to be better than Photoshop's. I think the pixel paint tools are more sophisticated than Pshop's in some ways (contrary to your notes), but only for natural-media painting (simulating oils, acrylics, wacky shapes, etc). Ultimately, Acrylic is going to make a great complement to Photoshop, not competition. The ability to create some cool vector/pixel/hybrid images, then export as PSD and open in Photoshop (with layers intact, though rasterized) is very compelling. Thanks, David Blatner co-author "real world photoshop" and others Jeff, I completely agree with many of your comments, and I disagree with others. Isn’t it always the case? First of all, solely comparing Acrylic’s pixel features to Photoshop’s without taking into account the vector and hybrid painting abilities isn’t very fair. It’s like saying, “well, let’s just ignore 75% of the program for now.”

That said, you’re right that there are currently some significant limitations, such as lack of masking or saving channels. You can do masking, but it’s kind of clunky (convert pixel layer to vector layer, draw object over image and set it to Eraser mode).

But other pixel features are better than Photoshop. I have found the panorama image stitching to be better than Photoshop’s. I think the pixel paint tools are more sophisticated than Pshop’s in some ways (contrary to your notes), but only for natural-media painting (simulating oils, acrylics, wacky shapes, etc).

Ultimately, Acrylic is going to make a great complement to Photoshop, not competition. The ability to create some cool vector/pixel/hybrid images, then export as PSD and open in Photoshop (with layers intact, though rasterized) is very compelling.

Thanks,
David Blatner
co-author “real world photoshop” and others

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By: Jeff Schewe http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-603 Jeff Schewe Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:53:58 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-603 Mark and others. . . This was NOT a review. . .it was an eval of Acrylic and how it relates to Photoshop. I wrote it because some media pundits were positioning Acrylic as though it was in competition with Photoshop-which it ain't! (as I point out). I also agree that the vector painting is the thing that is interesting in Expression/Acrylic. In that regard, it is way cool and capable of things even Painter can't do, let alone Photoshop. If Microsoft wishes to develop Acrylic's strengths, and offer a Mac version, I'm all for it. The more unique tools available the better. But if MSFT has any designs on creating a "Photoshop Killer", well, I would say Acrylic isn't the vehicle. (not even close) Mark and others. . .

This was NOT a review. . .it was an eval of Acrylic and how it relates to Photoshop. I wrote it because some media pundits were positioning Acrylic as though it was in competition with Photoshop-which it ain’t! (as I point out).

I also agree that the vector painting is the thing that is interesting in Expression/Acrylic. In that regard, it is way cool and capable of things even Painter can’t do, let alone Photoshop.

If Microsoft wishes to develop Acrylic’s strengths, and offer a Mac version, I’m all for it. The more unique tools available the better. But if MSFT has any designs on creating a “Photoshop Killer”, well, I would say Acrylic isn’t the vehicle. (not even close)

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By: Mark Landman http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-602 Mark Landman Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:22:21 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-602 This review is certainly correct in pointing out that Acrylic's paint capabilities don't come even close to PS at this point. But I believe this review misses the boat on Acrylic's vector abilities. In a word they are much stronger than described, and compare well against Freehand and Illustrator. Acrylic's vectors allow multiple transfer modes, variable transparency for both fill and line, variable "feathering" per object, "texturizing" per object with bitmap fills and perspective transforms of postcript fills. Add to this numerous "paint-like" abilities such as vector and bitmap skeletal strokes, fringe textures applied to feathered objects, "erasing" objects and you've definitely got some powerful graphics abilities. One major difference is the interface. It takes a while to figure out how to use the tools because they're set up quite differently than the Illustrator or Freehand tools we're used to, and this can be a frustrating process. When I first started using Expression 3, I did a lot of vectors in Freehand and imported them, after working a while with Expression, I found I didn't need to bother with that process anymore. Having said all this, I have to admit I haven't used Acrylic (I'm a Mac user), but I have worked with Expression 3, which is essentially Acylic with a little more bitmap power. Here's a small example of my use of Expression 3: http://www.mackwhite.com./BushJunta3.html This is 99.9% vector based art! I love Photoshop, I've been using it since V1, but I do hope Microsoft releases Acrylic for the Mac, as I can't think of any other combinaton of software that can do what Expression did. This review is certainly correct in pointing out that Acrylic’s paint capabilities don’t come even close to PS at this point.

But I believe this review misses the boat on Acrylic’s vector abilities.

In a word they are much stronger than described, and compare well against Freehand and Illustrator. Acrylic’s vectors allow multiple transfer modes, variable transparency for both fill and line, variable “feathering” per object, “texturizing” per object with bitmap fills and perspective transforms of postcript fills. Add to this numerous “paint-like” abilities such as vector and bitmap skeletal strokes, fringe textures applied to feathered objects, “erasing” objects and you’ve definitely got some powerful graphics abilities.

One major difference is the interface. It takes a while to figure out how to use the tools because they’re set up quite differently than the Illustrator or Freehand tools we’re used to, and this can be a frustrating process. When I first started using Expression 3, I did a lot of vectors in Freehand and imported them, after working a while with Expression, I found I didn’t need to bother with that process anymore.

Having said all this, I have to admit I haven’t used Acrylic (I’m a Mac user), but I have worked with Expression 3, which is essentially Acylic with a little more bitmap power. Here’s a small example of my use of Expression 3:

http://www.mackwhite.com./BushJunta3.html

This is 99.9% vector based art! I love Photoshop, I’ve been using it since V1, but I do hope Microsoft releases Acrylic for the Mac, as I can’t think of any other combinaton of software that can do what Expression did.

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By: BigT http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-599 BigT Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:03:21 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-599 Personally I think people are missing the boat on this (maybe even MS). Expression (er....Acrylic) is not meant to replace Photoshop...(nothing could dethrone shop, it's been cult status for 10 years) it's a breed all it's own to allow artists to create *editable* pieces. If anything it's a mix of Frustrator and Photoshop, not really intended to be or replace either. The bigger question is whether there are enough folks interested in teh unique technology to warrant it as a stand alone product. ....if that's what MS has intended for it anyway...maybe they're building the pieces of it into their next O/S and the preview is to get comments on the rendering engine that it uses for it's effects.... Personally I think people are missing the boat on this (maybe even MS). Expression (er….Acrylic) is not meant to replace Photoshop…(nothing could dethrone shop, it’s been cult status for 10 years) it’s a breed all it’s own to allow artists to create *editable* pieces. If anything it’s a mix of Frustrator and Photoshop, not really intended to be or replace either.

The bigger question is whether there are enough folks interested in teh unique technology to warrant it as a stand alone product.

….if that’s what MS has intended for it anyway…maybe they’re building the pieces of it into their next O/S and the preview is to get comments on the rendering engine that it uses for it’s effects….

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By: Pete Walsh http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-598 Pete Walsh Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:04:41 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-598 I've used Expression for a few years now, it's been a beautiful vector tool albeit with an unusual interface. It'll be interesting to see what MS do with it - a shame in a way to loose another funky little product. Does anyone remember Wright Design? It had a real chance to be a strong competitor to Photoshop years ago (maybe 6 years) but faded away. Would've been a good thing for MS to buy back then, probably better than Expressions if competing against Photoshop is the plan - or maybe this product is more about opportunities in general post Adobe/Macromedia merge. I’ve used Expression for a few years now, it’s been a beautiful vector tool albeit with an unusual interface. It’ll be interesting to see what MS do with it – a shame in a way to loose another funky little product.

Does anyone remember Wright Design? It had a real chance to be a strong competitor to Photoshop years ago (maybe 6 years) but faded away. Would’ve been a good thing for MS to buy back then, probably better than Expressions if competing against Photoshop is the plan – or maybe this product is more about opportunities in general post Adobe/Macromedia merge.

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By: Plugs N' Pixels http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-597 Plugs N' Pixels Wed, 15 Jun 2005 03:50:26 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-597 I should add that the combination of vector and bitmap capabilities in one app is not new; Canvas has done this (in a single layout) for years (http://www.canvangelist.com). But Acrylic is the winner for "vector painting". I should add that the combination of vector and bitmap capabilities in one app is not new; Canvas has done this (in a single layout) for years (http://www.canvangelist.com). But Acrylic is the winner for “vector painting”.

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By: Plugs N' Pixels http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-596 Plugs N' Pixels Wed, 15 Jun 2005 03:47:13 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-596 Expression, upon which this new revision is based, is an excellent illustration app. See some artwork I did for the folks at ScanHelp.com at http://www.plugsnpixels.com/expression.html . You can still download the full Expression for free from Microsoft's website. All this talk about comparing Acrylic with Photoshop is odd--I don't think Microsoft is even positioning it as such. I can't say for sure what they are planning on doing with it, but it is worth keeping an eye on. Expression, upon which this new revision is based, is an excellent illustration app. See some artwork I did for the folks at ScanHelp.com at http://www.plugsnpixels.com/expression.html . You can still download the full Expression for free from Microsoft’s website.

All this talk about comparing Acrylic with Photoshop is odd–I don’t think Microsoft is even positioning it as such. I can’t say for sure what they are planning on doing with it, but it is worth keeping an eye on.

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By: CD http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-595 CD Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:55:02 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-595 I had started downloading this, then once I read this review and took a peek at the screenshots, I hit the cancel button very quickly. This program looks severly like a low-end paint program, and if that's what it's intended to be, then fine but I dont think it will hold a candle to PS. I had started downloading this, then once I read this review and took a peek at the screenshots, I hit the cancel button very quickly. This program looks severly like a low-end paint program, and if that’s what it’s intended to be, then fine but I dont think it will hold a candle to PS.

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By: Laarree http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-594 Laarree Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:00:28 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-594 FYI, Expression 3/Mac is still available as a free download from Microsoft's website --apparently compatible with Panther (don't know about Tiger). Here's the link: http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/previous/expression3_downloadlinks.aspx Its vector painting features are fun to play with, and potentially useful to artists and illustrators. FYI, Expression 3/Mac is still available as a free download from
Microsoft’s website –apparently compatible with Panther (don’t
know about Tiger). Here’s the link:

http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/previous/expression3_downloadlinks.aspx

Its vector painting features are fun to play with, and potentially
useful to artists and illustrators.

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By: Ivan http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-593 Ivan Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:35:55 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-593 The biggest downside of Acrylic is the interface. Typically Microsoft lacks in this department. The interface is generica and lacks from differences within the interace which make things key to remembering and learning. However i am not sure this "beta" version is ready yet to compete with Photoshop, so im not sure how valid a review is other than for intelectual puropses. Whatever Acrylic turns out to be it will be good for Adobe, because competition is good. The biggest downside of Acrylic is the interface. Typically Microsoft lacks in this department. The interface is generica and lacks from differences within the interace which make things key to remembering and learning. However i am not sure this “beta” version is ready yet to compete with Photoshop, so im not sure how valid a review is other than for intelectual puropses. Whatever Acrylic turns out to be it will be good for Adobe, because competition is good.

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By: Andrew Rodney http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-592 Andrew Rodney Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:19:29 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-592 Kind of ugly.... Kind of ugly….

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By: JeffH http://photoshopnews.com/2005/06/14/acrylic-vs-photoshop-the-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-591 JeffH Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:37:21 +0000 http://photoshopnews.com/?p=469#comment-591 Jeff, Thanks for the frank and honest review. There has been a lot of buz in the press regarding Acrylic and what it is and isn't, but this is the first real review I have seen. I downloaded the application yesterday with intentions of testing it, but after reading your review, I frankly do not see the point in installing it. I am quite happy with PS CS2 and do not see Acrylic as a viable alternative at this time. Your review was very informative regarding features and functionality. Jeff H. Jeff,

Thanks for the frank and honest review. There has been a lot of buz in the press regarding Acrylic and what it is and isn’t, but this is the first real review I have seen. I downloaded the application yesterday with intentions of testing it, but after reading your review, I frankly do not see the point in installing it. I am quite happy with PS CS2 and do not see Acrylic as a viable alternative at this time. Your review was very informative regarding features and functionality.

Jeff H.

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